Comments for Palatkwapi http://www.palatkwapi.com 1400 - 1540 among the southern pueblos Fri, 28 May 2010 05:26:37 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 Comment on Traditional Potter’s Manifesto by Tom Bivins http://www.palatkwapi.com/2004/11/traditional-potters-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Tom Bivins Fri, 28 May 2010 05:26:37 +0000 http://www.palatkwapi.com/?p=51#comment-38 Andy, I can't argue with that. There is great a deal for all to learn from traditionalists. I missed the important part where the pretensions of being traditional with modern processes was the essence. You make an important and spiritual point here. I hope our paths cross. Biv Andy, I can’t argue with that. There is great a deal for all to learn from traditionalists. I missed the important part where the pretensions of being traditional with modern processes was the essence. You make an important and spiritual point here. I hope our paths cross.

Biv

]]> Comment on Traditional Potter’s Manifesto by Andy Ward http://www.palatkwapi.com/2004/11/traditional-potters-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Andy Ward Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:46:49 +0000 http://www.palatkwapi.com/?p=51#comment-36 Tom I appreciate your point very much, I especially liked this line "Bad pottery is bad no matter how it is made and likewise good pottery is good no matter the process", I agree 100%. However the point of this post is "traditional" southwest pottery, as I said in the first paragraph "Modern technology in pottery is fine but if that is what you are doing, why make pretensions of being traditional". Personally I can appreciate all good pottery, but I am a traditionalist with a passion for history and traditions so to me the traditions matter a great deal. Andy Tom
I appreciate your point very much, I especially liked this line “Bad pottery is bad no matter how it is made and likewise good pottery is good no matter the process”, I agree 100%.

However the point of this post is “traditional” southwest pottery, as I said in the first paragraph “Modern technology in pottery is fine but if that is what you are doing, why make pretensions of being traditional”.

Personally I can appreciate all good pottery, but I am a traditionalist with a passion for history and traditions so to me the traditions matter a great deal.
Andy

]]> Comment on Traditional Potter’s Manifesto by Tom Bivins http://www.palatkwapi.com/2004/11/traditional-potters-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Tom Bivins Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:55:20 +0000 http://www.palatkwapi.com/?p=51#comment-35 I can feel your words and wonder why the process is so important to you? I am willing to bet you have much to share with your work and your philosophy. To me the most important element in handmade pottery work is the personality or feeling the completed pottery communicates. The process is not going to make a weak finished piece stronger nor is the process going to make a strong piece weak. You and your creative powers are what determines the ultimate impact of your work. Your opinion about the amount of modern in traditional pottery is right on! The problem is the quality of the finished pieces is sub-standard when compared to the historic masterpieces. The tradition of making good and great work is what is lacking the most. No matter who is creating the goal should be to get personality and meaning into the finished pieces. If the only way to this end is the most traditional approach then so be it. Bad pottery is bad no matter how it is made and likewise good pottery is good no matter the process. I can feel your words and wonder why the process is so important to you? I am willing to bet you have much to share with your work and your philosophy. To me the most important element in handmade pottery work is the personality or feeling the completed pottery communicates. The process is not going to make a weak finished piece stronger nor is the process going to make a strong piece weak. You and your creative powers are what determines the ultimate impact of your work. Your opinion about the amount of modern in traditional pottery is right on! The problem is the quality of the finished pieces is sub-standard when compared to the historic masterpieces. The tradition of making good and great work is what is lacking the most. No matter who is creating the goal should be to get personality and meaning into the finished pieces. If the only way to this end is the most traditional approach then so be it. Bad pottery is bad no matter how it is made and likewise good pottery is good no matter the process.

]]> Comment on The Chichilticalli Trail Part I – An Overview by Buck Wells http://www.palatkwapi.com/2009/06/the-chichilticalli-trail-part-i-an-overview/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Buck Wells Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:38:40 +0000 http://www.palatkwapi.com/?p=76#comment-33 hey Andy, please check out my coronado trail website if you have time, I have been working on this coronado trail thing most of my life ! I love the subject ! In the 1980's I was pretty sure I had found some information, and that is what my website is about. I would love to hear from you, the contact button on my site connects direct to my home computer address. Regards ! Buck Wells hey Andy, please check out my coronado trail website if you have time, I have been working on this coronado trail thing most of my life ! I love the subject !

In the 1980’s I was pretty sure I had found some information, and that is what my website is about. I would love to hear from you, the contact button on my site connects direct to my home computer address.

Regards !

Buck Wells

]]> Comment on The Chichilticalli Trail Part I – An Overview by Amy Foulks http://www.palatkwapi.com/2009/06/the-chichilticalli-trail-part-i-an-overview/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Amy Foulks Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:19:57 +0000 http://www.palatkwapi.com/?p=76#comment-9 Hi Andy-- I can go into the detail about what Nugent Brasher has NOT found at the Kuykendall 90-acre survey. These are the Spanish diagnostics of that era, which any expedition would have had, coming out of New Spain in the mide-15th century: *Nueva Cadiz beads *Clarksdale brass bells *iron "diamond-head" horseshoe nails *copper crossbow boltheads [and if we got really lucky, a short/wide horseshoe for a "Spanish barbary pony", or bits of chain mail, broken Spanish majolica or central Mexican pottery]. Hi Andy–
I can go into the detail about what Nugent Brasher has NOT found at the Kuykendall 90-acre survey. These are the Spanish diagnostics of that era, which any expedition would have had, coming out of New Spain in the mide-15th century:
*Nueva Cadiz beads
*Clarksdale brass bells
*iron “diamond-head” horseshoe nails
*copper crossbow boltheads
[and if we got really lucky, a short/wide horseshoe for a "Spanish barbary pony", or bits of chain mail, broken Spanish majolica or central Mexican pottery].

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